Curse

LifeInfusion · Jun 02, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

In order to see what skills may be nerfed in the future, let us look at the bonus +armor selection we have that does not rely on stances or enchantments:

Dolyak Signet --> 0 cast time.
-Nonremovable. caster only
-Can be prevented with "Ignorance".
-Can be shutdown with "Icy Prism"/"Complicate" (if there are other signets such as Healing Signet which can be interrupted).
(logically speaking, nothing removes signets and this will never be used in PvP due to the movement speed decrease of 75%)

Defy Pain (elite) --> 0 cast time.
-Nonremovable SKILL. caster only
-Can be shutdown by "signet of humility".
(people don't use this in pvp or it would be nerfed for pvp)

Shields Up! --> 0 cast time.
-Nonremovable shout ; arrows/piercing damage/projectiles are affected
-Can be prevented by "Vocal Minority" and "Well of Silence"
-Can be made more costly by Roaring Winds
-Can be hurt by "Ulcerous Lungs"
(nerfed for pvp once)

Stand Your Ground! --> 0 cast time.
-Nonremovable shout
-Can be prevented by "Vocal Minority" and "Well of Silence"
-Can be made more costly by Roaring Winds
-Can be hurt by "Ulcerous Lungs"
(nerfed numerous times)

Watch Yourself! --> 0 cast time.
-Nonremovable shout ; arrows/piercing damage/projectiles are affected
-Can be prevented by "Vocal Minority" and "Well of Silence"; Ancestor's Visage; Sympathetic Visage; Soothing Images
-Can be made more costly by Roaring Winds; Soothing (Ritualist spirit)
-Can be hurt by "Visions of Regret" ; "Ulcerous Lungs"
(adjusted because of paragon energy gain with 0 tactics)

Avatar of Balthazar (elite) --> 2 cast time
-Nonremovable form; caster only
-can be interrupted
(buffed)

Mighty Was Vorizun --> 2 cast time
-nonremovable item spell ; caster only
-can be interrupted
(buffed)

Protective Was Kaolai --> 1 cast time
-nonremovable item spell; caster only
(buffed)

Tranquil Was Tanasen (elite)--> 1 cast time
-nonremovable item spell; caster only
(buffed)

Bladeturn Refrain --> 1 cast time
-nonremovable echo; only to slashing damage
(if this were +damage to all, it would probably be on the to-be-nerfed list)

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STATIONARY

Ward Against Harm (elite)--> 1 cast time
-Nonremovable Ward; stationary
-Can be prevented by interrupts; Signet of Humility
-Can be made costly by "Quickening Zephyr" among other things
-Can be hurt by "Backfire"; etc.
(untouched)

Ward against Elements --> 1 cast time
-Nonremovable Ward; stationary; against elemental damage only
-Can be prevented by interrupts
-Can be made costly by "Quickening Zephyr" among other things
-Can be hurt by "Backfire"; etc.
(untouched)
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This highlights the imbalance of shouts. Shouts are the only ones that seem to affect more than the user, yet are unremovable.

Yanman.be · Jun 02, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Defy Pain isn't a shout. thus

Quote:

-Can be prevented by "Vocal Minority" and "Well of Silence".

is wrong.

Coloneh · Jun 03, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

none of those are overpowered at all. most of them could use a buff.

mikez himself · Jun 03, 2007, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Defy Pain (elite) --> 0 cast time.
-Nonremovable SKILL. caster only
-Can be prevented by "Vocal Minority" and "Well of Silence".
-Can be shutdown by "signet of humility".
(people don't use this in pvp or it would be nerfed for pvp)

a caster skill? eh? its primary is strength
what do you mean by people dont use it in pvp or it would be nerfed in pvp? well, this skill sucks for pvp and if you havent noticed.. if theres an overpowered skill, people abuse it

Dodo The Extinct · Jun 03, 2007, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Quote:

none of those are overpowered at all. most of them could use a buff.

I agree.....I don`t really see anything here that is abused that badly. Sure, the Paragon Shouts can be kinda cheap when they are stacked though.

Maybe there should be a maximum of how many you can have on you at one time, or maybe the Paragon armor should be reduced.

LifeInfusion · Jun 03, 2007, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Defy Pain isn't a shout. thus is wrong.

my fault. fixed. (I wrote that it is a "nonremovable SKILL" but I keep thinking it is a shout)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikez himself

a caster skill? eh? its primary is strength
what do you mean by people dont use it in pvp or it would be nerfed in pvp? well, this skill sucks for pvp and if you havent noticed.. if theres an overpowered skill, people abuse it

caster as in it only affects the caster of the skill.

Queen-Of-Disco · Jun 19, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

the nerf to armor stacking makes this arguement less effective, granted shouts being stacked is annoying to the other team, they are not actually overpowered in anyway. they can be stopped by necro hexes that become a stable when shouts are currently overpowered, and seeing as guilds dont currently run those hexes lets me see that shouts are so no unmanageable that are overpowered and need nerfed

LifeInfusion · Jun 21, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Queen-Of-Disco

the nerf to armor stacking makes this arguement less effective, granted shouts being stacked is annoying to the other team, they are not actually overpowered in anyway. they can be stopped by necro hexes that become a stable when shouts are currently overpowered, and seeing as guilds dont currently run those hexes lets me see that shouts are so no unmanageable that are overpowered and need nerfed

Check the date of the post. It was well before the +25 armor stacking change.

Mr_Cynical · Jun 25, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Shouts are already balanced. The fact that they cannot be removed is balanced by the fact that they aren't as powerful (generally speaking) as an enchantment or stance doing the same thing.